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[17th witness Bau Tsu-zeung.]
[12th witness Ng Ying-kit (recalled).]
1224. Dr. Bau: The wounds were fairly clean wounds, and slightly septic. 1225. Mr. Whyatt: Could you express any opinion as to how they might have been caused? Many of the lacerated wounds were most likely caused by some blunt object, and the superficial wounds were mostly caused by the splinters like those that were removed-by pieces of wood.
1226. If I understand you correctly some of the wounds were caused by splinters of wood? Would those be splinters of wood moving with considerable force? Very great force: the wound that the piece of metal was extracted from must have been caused by a fragment of a shell or bullet.
1227. Chairman: And what about the fragments of wood? How do you suggest the
splinters got into the buttocks? They must have been driven in by some force. 1228. By some considerable force? Yes.
1229. You do not get splinters of wood there even by sitting about in junks.
I am afraid I am not in a position yet to put an 1230. Mr. Whyatt to Commissioners ;
expert in the box on the question of the origin of these exhibits that have been produced. I hope to be in a position to do so on Thursday, but I think there are one or two matters which might be cleared up if certain witnesses were recalled which at the moment are a little obscure.
1231. Chairman: There are one or two matters about which I and my brother members are still in the dark. If these can be cleared up it will be of great help. Possibly it might help if Dr. Bau might be able to identify his specific witnesses. One might begin with that. Dr. Bau has told us about the injuries which bear resemblance to the injuries of each of the witnesses we have seen, and specific identification of the witnesses by Dr. Bau might help.
1232. Mr. Whyatt: If they are in court, Dr. Bau could identify them now. 1233. Chairman: He might identify Lai Yau, Ho Kau, Li Tai, and Lai Pak-yau
specifically if he can.
1234. Mr. Whyatt: I am told that Dr. Bau took photographs of these men before he treated them, and he has got copies of the photographs of those men with him to-day.
(Photographs handed in).*
1235. Chairman: That is the condition they were in when you treated them?
they were taken two days after admission.
1236. Mr. Whyatt: After you had given them some treatment? That is right. 1237. (5th, 6th, 7th and 8th witnesses brought in).
1238. Mr. Whyall: Have you seen this man before? Yes, he is Li Tai.
I think
1239. Have you seen this man before? Yes, he is Lai Yau; he was only slightly
wounded.
1240. Chairman: Those are the same four men you attended?
Yes.
1241. Will you leave those photographs with the Commission? Yes, certainly,
(Witness left witness box).
1242. Mr. Whyatt: If it is convenient I should like to recall Ng Ying-kit because there
is one matter which I ought to have asked him about which I forgot. Twelfth Witness. Ng Ying-kit, (recalled).
1243. Ng Ying-kit (on former declaration).
1244. Mr. T'hyatt: Ng Ying-kit, you told us this morning that you came to Hong
Kong the other day from San Mei? Yes, sir.
1245. I think you told us also that you knew a man named Lam Fuk-tai, and also Shek
Kai-cheung? I know them.
1246. Those two were fishing as a pair on the morning when you were attacked by the
submarine? Yes, sir.
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[12th witness Ng Ying-kit (recalled).] [1st witness Lam Chu (recalled).]
1247. Will you tell us this-whilst you were in San Mei after this attack and before you came back to Hong Kong did you see anything of the people who had been on board Lam Fuk-tai and Shek Kai-cheung's junks? I saw some of the fokis from those two junks in San Mei.
1248. How many did you see altogether in San Mei? I am not quite sure; I think I
saw about ten fokis altogether from these two junks.
1249. And how many people would there be before these two junks were attacked?
Including old and young, male and female, sixty in all.
1250. Ten of them you saw at San Mei. Have you any idea what happened to the
remaining fifty? They are all dead.
1251. No news of them anywhere? No news of them at all. 1252. Mr. Whyatt to Commissioners : That was the matter I wanted Ng Ying-kit to be
I think you would like Lam Chu in the witness box again. Lam Chu (recalled).
recalled about.
First Witness.
1253. Lam Chu (on former declaration).
1254. Mr. Whyaft: Perhaps it would be more convenient if you put the questions to
this witness, Mr. Chairman.
1255. Chairman: Lam Chu, you told us yesterday morning how the twelve junks were all fishing off Chelong, and described their position as a broken ring off the light? Yes, sir.
1256. You told us that your junk and that of Shek Kai-cheung who was fishing with
you were at one end of that broken ring? Yes.
1257. Now, in what direction were your bows facing when you first appreciated that the submarine was approaching you? At that moment the bow of the junk was point- ing south west.
Our three pairs
1258, About what distance was there between each pair of junks?
were quite close.
1259. That is yours, Lam Fuk-tai's, Lam Yung-shing's? Yes.
1260. About how far between each pair? Lam Yung-shing's pair as far as from here
to Tsimshatsui.*
About the same distance
1261. And between Lam Yung-shing's and Lam Fuk-tai's ?
as I have described. 1262. Between yours and Chau Kau's? Much further than the distance I have described. 1263. Could you suggest any distance between Chan Kau's pair and Fung Kam- shing's? Those other three pairs were all close to one another, and I think the distance between them would be from here to Tsimshatsui.
1264. The same thing about Fung Kam-shing's pair and Ng Ying-kit's pair? About
that.
1265. You told us your bows were facing south-west. Can you give me any indica- tion of the bearing of Chelong light from your junk at the time the submarine first appeared? At that time the Chelong lighthouse was behind our stern.
About that. 1266. Directly behind-that would be north-east ? 1267. And how far would your junk be from the Chelong light? Very far away.
It would 1368. How far away? I could not see the lighthouse from where I was.
take a steamer about an hour to go to the lighthouse from where we were. 1269. As far as from here to Cheung Chau? Much farther than the distance from here
to Cheung Chau. About as far as Macao.†
1270. Macao ? Yes.
1271. I think you told us yesterday morning that you had been able to see the light from Chelong? We could not see the light, but we could see the reflection.
* A distance of about a mile.
† A distance of thirty-eight miles.
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